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[Rudolph]

I played with the new animation support in the EVE Screen Editor.
And I wonder what this is supposed to be used for.

Splitting up the frames of an animation into tiles is nice to save space in the external FLASH I guess.
Although the converter doubles the amount of frames and all the odd frames look exactly the same than
the even ones, so I have to wonder if this really is saving memory.
Without more insight I call this a bug in the converter.

There is a huge issue however, due to the tiling of the frames the display list is getting filled rather fast.
Now the smallest off-the-shelve FLASH on a BT81x module is 32MBit and I can easily replace it.
But the size of the display list is still only 8kB or 2048 commands.
The 124x300 pixel animation I have up in the EVE Screen Editor fills up the RAM_DL to 28% with only four lines
of coprocessor commands.

Am I missing something important here?
Right now this looks like a feature I rather not use.
Just cyling thru images on my controller has zero impact on the display list and while this costs a couple
more lines of code I just got a lot of free space for moving the images into the external FLASH.

And I checked, there is no way to tell the animation converter to drop the tiling.

[pauljiao]

For no tiling option, it is better not to use animation converter. 
Instead, use the flash file generation to store the images consecutively frame by frame.

Like this:

"
Unified.blob
frame0.astc
frame1.astc
.......
framen.astc
"

In the display list,  change the bitmap source to display different frame from time to time.   It works well to me although it may take more spaces. 

[Rudolph]

Yes, this is kind of what I wrote already.
Depending on the size of the image I would prefer using a single image though and make use of CELL().

The point however was specifically the new animation functionality.
And right now It looks to me like a pointless way to waste precious space in the display-list.

I kind of hope that I am wrong with this and that I am missing something.
But to find out someone from Bridgetek would need to elaborate and what benefits this functionality has.

[pauljiao]

From my opinion, that is a trade-off between the display list (RAM_DL utilization) and flash space. 
Compared to flash space, the RAM_DL can be reused across all the frames.
For instance, the GIF I enclosed here, is in 480x176 and converted into ASTC8x8 based animation object, which takes only 23K bytes flash space
for 8 frames, due to the common tile optimization.    However, saving those 8 frames in ASTC8x8 will take 260Kbytes flash space.
We can see in this use case,  with around 400 display list overhead,  flash space is saved around 220 Kbytes.

[Rudolph]

What version of the EVE Asset Builder are you even using?
The 1.0 does not show this information, it stops at "Number of frames".

So okay, what you are saying is that Animations might be a vital option when you have enough space in the display
list but need to preserve space in the flash.
After I tried animations in the EVE Screen Editor again I have to agree that this looks like a good observation.

I am still getting twice the frames for the animation.data than the animation actually has.
With "CMD_ANIMFRAME(350, 230, 18048, 0)" the even and odd frames are the same.

What has me worried is what a single CMD_ANIMFRAME translates to in the display-list.

My 400x300 sized animation frame is split into 16x16 pixel tiles, okay.
And because many of the tiles look the same the compression ratio is quite high and the display list
is on the shorter end since it requires not so many BITMAP_SOURCE commands.

Okay, so the high compression compared to single frames might only work with very simple animations.
And more complex animations will require even more space in the display list.

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[Rudolph]

There is a new EVE Asset Builder - v1.2.0 - and I like it. 

With regards to this thread it is now possible to set the tiling manually or disable it entirely.
Thanks!

Also interesting is the option to feed it GIF animations.